Someone Knows What Happened On Keith Mann's Final Night in Wichita Falls

Hello Crime Junkies, I'm Hello Crime Junkies, I'm your host Ashley your host Ashley your host Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. And I'm Brit. And I'm Brit. And I'm Brit. And this is a story I have And this is a story I have And this is a story I have wanted to share with you for so long wanted to share with you for so long wanted to share with you for so long . Because . Because . Because for me, some of the most for me, some of the most for me, some of the most mysterious mysterious mysterious cases are those where cases are those where cases are those where a person disappears without a trace a person disappears without a trace a person disappears without a trace . These are stories . These are stories . These are stories I often think about I often think about I often think about at night when I can't at night when I can't at night when I can't sleep. And the disappearance of sleep. And the disappearance of sleep. And the disappearance of Gregory Keith Mann Gregory Keith Mann Jr. is one Jr. is one Jr. is one such case. Because such case. Because such case. Because this was the guy who this was the guy who this was the guy who seemed to have everything. 20 seemed to have everything. 20 seemed to have everything. 20 years old, new apartment, years old, new apartment, years old, new apartment, good job, good job, good job, fiancée who was fiancée who was fiancée who was going to move in going to move in going to move in with him. But with him. But with him. But on the eve of her on the eve of her on the eve of her arrival, Keith told his arrival, Keith told his arrival, Keith told his colleagues that he had a colleagues that he had a colleagues that he had a secret meeting secret meeting secret meeting just after midnight. just after midnight. And after that, no And after that, no one saw him again one saw him again . Did he get scared and . Did he get scared and . Did he get scared and just run away from just run away from just run away from everything? Did something everything? Did something everything? Did something happen during that happen during that happen during that meeting? Did that meeting? Did that meeting? Did that meeting even happen? And meeting even happen? And meeting even happen? And if so, who did he if so, who did he if so, who did he meet? This meet? This meet? This case becomes especially case becomes especially case becomes especially sad when you realize sad when you realize that it was that it was that it was Mother's Day when Mother's Day when Mother's Day when Keith Mann's father and stepmother Keith Mann's father and stepmother Keith Mann's father and stepmother first realized first realized first realized he was missing. Greg and he was missing. Greg and he was missing. Greg and Deborah were home Deborah were home Deborah were home that Sunday that Sunday that Sunday morning in 1997 when they morning in 1997 when they morning in 1997 when they received a call from received a call from received a call from their their their son's fiancée, Carey, asking son's fiancée, Carey, asking son's fiancée, Carey, asking if they had seen Keith.

if they had seen Keith. if they had seen Keith. They didn't see. They didn't see. They didn't see. At least, since late At least, since late At least, since late Friday night, when Friday night, when Friday night, when they were all together in they were all together in they were all together in Gainesville, Gainesville, Gainesville, Texas, celebrating Texas, celebrating Texas, celebrating Carey's graduation. But Carey's graduation. But Carey's graduation. But they're pretty sure they're pretty sure they're pretty sure he got he got he got home safe because he followed home safe because he followed home safe because he followed them to Wichita them to Wichita Falls in his car Falls in his car Falls in his car all the way until all the way until all the way until they turned onto they turned onto they turned onto their street. And his their street. And his their street. And his apartment was only apartment was only apartment was only two miles down the two miles down the two miles down the road. Carey knows road. Carey knows road. Carey knows he definitely made it to he definitely made it to he definitely made it to the apartment because she says she the apartment because she says she the apartment because she says she spoke to him spoke to him spoke to him the next day, the next day, the next day, Saturday around 9:40 p.m. Saturday around 9:40 p.m. Saturday around 9:40 p.m. He was at work that day He was at work that day He was at work that day and planned and planned and planned to meet up with friends. to meet up with friends. to meet up with friends. But she But she But she was calling from the was calling from the was calling from the apartment, and it seemed like apartment, and it seemed like Keith hadn't been there at Keith hadn't been there at Keith hadn't been there at all since the all since the all since the night before. His work night before. His work night before. His work clothes were on the floor, clothes were on the floor, clothes were on the floor, the bed looked the bed looked the bed looked untouched, which was very untouched, which was very untouched, which was very disturbing, because she did disturbing, because she did disturbing, because she did n't just show up n't just show up n't just show up unannounced. You see, unannounced. You see, unannounced. You see, these two 20-year- these two 20-year- these two 20-year- olds olds olds recently got engaged recently got engaged recently got engaged after 18 months of after 18 months of after 18 months of dating, and today dating, and today dating, and today was the same day that was the same day that was the same day that Carey was supposed to Carey was supposed to Carey was supposed to move in with Keith. This move in with Keith. This move in with Keith. This was planned down to the was planned down to the was planned down to the minute. She told minute. She told minute. She told him she would come to their him she would come to their him she would come to their apartment sometime between apartment sometime between 12 and 2 on Sunday. So, 12 and 2 on Sunday. So, 12 and 2 on Sunday. So, after hearing all this, Greg and after hearing all this, Greg and after hearing all this, Greg and Deborah felt Deborah felt Deborah felt alarmed by what they alarmed by what they alarmed by what they had seen on their had seen on their had seen on their way to church that morning.

way to church that morning. See, there's See, there's another church next to them, not the one another church next to them, not the one another church next to them, not the one they go to, but they go to, but they go to, but in the parking lot in the same in the parking lot in the same in the parking lot in the same spot spot spot where Keith always parked where Keith always parked where Keith always parked , there was a red , there was a red , there was a red Ford Mustang. Here Deborah Ford Mustang. Here Deborah Ford Mustang. Here Deborah looks out the window and looks out the window and looks out the window and sees that the Mustang is still sees that the Mustang is still sees that the Mustang is still there, it's late there, it's late there, it's late Sunday evening. It's Sunday evening. It's Sunday evening. It's parked parked parked literally over the literally over the literally over the same old grease stain same old grease stain left over from Keith's previous car. Well, that Keith's previous car. Well, that was his place. This was his place. This was his place. This car wasn't Keith's, car wasn't Keith's, car wasn't Keith's, but it had but it had but it had dealer plates on it, and dealer plates on it, and dealer plates on it, and Keith had Keith had Keith had been working at the been working at the been working at the Ron Ron Ron Roberts Ford dealership for the past couple of months. And one of the Roberts Ford dealership for the past couple of months. And one of the Roberts Ford dealership for the past couple of months. And one of the advantages of his job as a advantages of his job as a advantages of his job as a salesman was that salesman was that salesman was that if you sold if you sold if you sold enough cars, enough cars, enough cars, you could borrow you could borrow you could borrow cars from the lot. cars from the lot. cars from the lot. So his parents are pretty So his parents are pretty So his parents are pretty sure that sure that at least Keith was driving that car. at least Keith was driving that car. That's right, she's in That's right, she's in That's right, she's in his place. his place. his place. But what's But what's But what's most surprising about this is that most surprising about this is that most surprising about this is that Keith shouldn't have Keith shouldn't have Keith shouldn't have parked there anymore. parked there anymore. It seems the church It seems the church recently had a recently had a recently had a new pastor, and he new pastor, and he new pastor, and he told Greg that they told Greg that they told Greg that they couldn't couldn't couldn't park there because the park there because the park there because the space was needed for the space was needed for the space was needed for the church van.

church van. church van. This was about This was about This was about two weeks ago, and Greg two weeks ago, and Greg two weeks ago, and Greg made sure Keith made sure Keith made sure Keith knew about it. So Greg knew about it. So Greg knew about it. So Greg and Deborah decided they and Deborah decided they and Deborah decided they needed to check needed to check needed to check the car, see if there was the car, see if there was the car, see if there was anything there that would anything there that would anything there that would give them a clue as to where Keith was. give them a clue as to where Keith was. They approach the They approach the car and, as they car and, as they car and, as they get closer, see get closer, see get closer, see that the trunk is that the trunk is that the trunk is open. Greg open. Greg open. Greg lifts the lid, but there's lifts the lid, but there's lifts the lid, but there's nothing inside nothing inside nothing inside . The only thing that . The only thing that . The only thing that seems odd is a seems odd is a seems odd is a small panel small panel small panel bent against the bent against the bent against the wall, but everything else wall, but everything else wall, but everything else looks clean. Greg looks clean. Greg looks clean. Greg closes the trunk and closes the trunk and closes the trunk and goes to try goes to try goes to try to open the doors, but to open the doors, but to open the doors, but all the doors are locked. And all the doors are locked. And all the doors are locked. And now that he's now that he's now that he's closed the trunk, there's closed the trunk, there's no way he can get into the car. So he no way he can get into the car. So he just looks in just looks in just looks in the windows, but there's the windows, but there's the windows, but there's really nothing to really nothing to really nothing to see, just an empty see, just an empty , relatively clean , relatively clean , relatively clean car. They are sure car. They are sure it has something it has something it has something to do with Keith, but to do with Keith, but to do with Keith, but they want to wait before they want to wait before they want to wait before making the worst making the worst making the worst assumptions. So they assumptions. So they assumptions. So they wait. Carrie wait. Carrie wait. Carrie arrives and waits arrives and waits arrives and waits with them. I with them. I with them. I mean, they mean, they mean, they were planning to spend were planning to spend were planning to spend Mother's Day with their Mother's Day with their Mother's Day with their family anyway. So family anyway. So family anyway. So if Keith was just if Keith was just if Keith was just stuck somewhere, maybe stuck somewhere, maybe stuck somewhere, maybe he'll come back here.

he'll come back here. he'll come back here. But he does not But he does not But he does not appear until appear until appear until the end of the day or at night. And the end of the day or at night. And the end of the day or at night. And all this time, the all this time, the all this time, the same Mustang has been standing same Mustang has been standing same Mustang has been standing motionless in the motionless in the motionless in the church parking lot. church parking lot. church parking lot. So, on Monday So, on Monday So, on Monday morning, Greg immediately morning, Greg immediately morning, Greg immediately calls the police calls the police calls the police to report to report to report his son missing. his son missing. his son missing. Unfortunately, the officer who Unfortunately, the officer who Unfortunately, the officer who responded responded responded was not as was not as was not as concerned as concerned as concerned as the father. When they the father. When they the father. When they approached the approached the Mustang and explained Mustang and explained Mustang and explained the situation, the cop just the situation, the cop just the situation, the cop just looked at the car and looked at the car and looked at the car and said, "Well, this doesn't said, "Well, this doesn't said, "Well, this doesn't look like a look like a look like a crime scene." Like, Keith is crime scene." Like, Keith is crime scene." Like, Keith is young, give him young, give him young, give him some time. "You're worrying too soon. some time. "You're worrying too soon. some time. "You're worrying too soon. " Not " Not " Not knowing what knowing what knowing what to do about it, but not to do about it, but not to do about it, but not wanting to sit idly by wanting to sit idly by wanting to sit idly by , , , Keith's parents decided Keith's parents decided Keith's parents decided to call to call to call his work. Maybe his work. Maybe his work. Maybe someone in the salon knows someone in the salon knows someone in the salon knows what happened. At least what happened. At least what happened to the car what happened to the car , if nothing else. , if nothing else. , if nothing else. And maybe they'll And maybe they'll And maybe they'll even be able to even be able to even be able to get inside the get inside the get inside the car. This car. This car. This turned into a turned into a turned into a real mess because we real mess because we real mess because we had to call a had to call a had to call a locksmith just to locksmith just to locksmith just to open the car. But open the car. But open the car. But even then, nothing even then, nothing even then, nothing useful was useful was useful was found. Neither in found. Neither in found. Neither in the glove compartment nor in the glove compartment nor in the glove compartment nor in the console. The only thing that the console. The only thing that the console. The only thing that was out of place was was out of place was was out of place was the cassette, which was partially the cassette, which was partially the cassette, which was partially sticking out of sticking out of sticking out of the player.

the player. the player. What kind of cassette was that? What kind of cassette was that? What kind of cassette was that? I literally asked, I literally asked, I literally asked, but neither Greg nor Deborah but neither Greg nor Deborah but neither Greg nor Deborah can remember can remember can remember after all these years. after all these years. after all these years. They just remember They just remember They just remember it was some rock it was some rock band, something band, something band, something Keith might have listened to, and it Keith might have listened to, and it Keith might have listened to, and it wasn't any wasn't any wasn't any obvious proof obvious proof obvious proof that that that he wasn't driving, if you he wasn't driving, if you he wasn't driving, if you know what I mean. know what I mean. know what I mean. But there was something that But there was something that But there was something that became clear became clear became clear evidence that he evidence that he evidence that he was not behind the wheel. When was not behind the wheel. When was not behind the wheel. When the car dealership sent the car dealership sent the car dealership sent the salesman to pick up the the salesman to pick up the the salesman to pick up the car, he arrived and car, he arrived and car, he arrived and said, "Oh, that's strange." " said, "Oh, that's strange." " I didn't have to I didn't have to I didn't have to move the seat move the seat move the seat back." "I always back." "I always back." "I always have to move have to move have to move the seat back when Keith the seat back when Keith the seat back when Keith takes the car because at takes the car because at takes the car because at 5'7" he 5'7" he 5'7" he usually sits usually sits usually sits closer to the steering wheel." closer to the steering wheel." closer to the steering wheel." Deborah says they Deborah says they Deborah says they even asked even asked even asked the locksmith who the locksmith who the locksmith who opened the car if opened the car if opened the car if he moved he moved he moved the seats, and he the seats, and he the seats, and he said no. said no. said no. Can the dealership Can the dealership Can the dealership confirm that confirm that confirm that Keith was the one who took the car from them? I Keith was the one who took the car from them? I don't know if they have don't know if they have logbooks, but logbooks, but logbooks, but everyone talks about it everyone talks about it everyone talks about it as a confirmed as a confirmed as a confirmed fact. I just can't fact. I just can't fact. I just can't say how they say how they say how they confirmed this, because when confirmed this, because when confirmed this, because when we made the FOIA request and we made the FOIA request and we made the FOIA request and got the files, almost got the files, almost got the files, almost every page was every page was every page was completely blacked out.

completely blacked out. completely blacked out. This was one of the This was one of the This was one of the most outrageous most outrageous document edits I have ever document edits I have ever seen. At the seen. At the seen. At the time of writing, we are still time of writing, we are still time of writing, we are still fighting this, and the fighting this, and the fighting this, and the matter is now in the hands of the matter is now in the hands of the Attorney General. But, Attorney General. But, in the end, it was a in the end, it was a in the end, it was a long answer to " long answer to " yes," he was the one who picked up yes," he was the one who picked up yes," he was the one who picked up the car from the the car from the the car from the dealership. dealership. dealership. However, Greg and Deborah However, Greg and Deborah However, Greg and Deborah have serious have serious have serious doubts that Keith was the doubts that Keith was the doubts that Keith was the last person to drive last person to drive last person to drive that car. But that car. But that car. But since the car doesn't belong to them since the car doesn't belong to them since the car doesn't belong to them and the police and the police and the police aren't opening aren't opening aren't opening an investigation, the an investigation, the Mustang Mustang Mustang is simply returned to the is simply returned to the is simply returned to the dealership dealership dealership without any processing without any processing without any processing or forensic or forensic or forensic examination. examination. That is, by the time That is, by the time the police finally the police finally the police finally decide that there is decide that there is decide that there is something suspicious here, it will be too something suspicious here, it will be too something suspicious here, it will be too late to late to late to collect anything. And of course, the collect anything. And of course, the collect anything. And of course, the dealership will dealership will dealership will just clean that just clean that just clean that car. car. car. Unless Greg can Unless Greg can Unless Greg can stop it, right? stop it, right? stop it, right? So, the next day, So, the next day, So, the next day, Tuesday the 13th, he Tuesday the 13th, he Tuesday the 13th, he goes to the goes to the goes to the police station and demands that the police station and demands that the police station and demands that the Wichita Wichita Falls police take action. And that's when Falls police take action. And that's when Falls police take action. And that's when they first they first they first assign someone assign someone assign someone to Keith's case. Now, to Keith's case. Now, to Keith's case. Now, as far as I can as far as I can as far as I can tell, no one is tell, no one is tell, no one is running to the running to the running to the dealership dealership dealership asking to keep the asking to keep the asking to keep the car. They don't car. They don't car. They don't bother to pick up bother to pick up bother to pick up and inspect the car and inspect the car and inspect the car until it's until it's until it's sold. And, as you sold. And, as you sold. And, as you said, surprise, said, surprise, surprise, there's nothing there surprise, there's nothing there surprise, there's nothing there . Yes, but on the . Yes, but on the . Yes, but on the first day they first day they first day they assign assign assign a detective, they still a detective, they still a detective, they still go to go to go to Keith's apartment to look around.

Keith's apartment to look around. Keith's apartment to look around. Check for Check for Check for anything unusual. anything unusual. anything unusual. Carrie is no longer there Carrie is no longer there Carrie is no longer there . Of course, this . Of course, this . Of course, this shocked her, so she did shocked her, so she did shocked her, so she did n't want to stay n't want to stay n't want to stay there alone. And eventually there alone. And eventually there alone. And eventually she moves back in she moves back in she moves back in with her parents. So with her parents. So with her parents. So when the police when the police when the police come to inspect come to inspect come to inspect the apartment, it is the apartment, it is the apartment, it is empty. But for them, there's empty. But for them, there's empty. But for them, there's really nothing to really nothing to really nothing to look at there. It's look at there. It's look at there. It's a bit messy there. His a bit messy there. His a bit messy there. His work clothes work clothes work clothes are lying on the floor, are lying on the floor, are lying on the floor, like I said. It doesn't like I said. It doesn't like I said. It doesn't look like look like look like he was going anywhere he was going anywhere he was going anywhere or packing up. So, or packing up. So, or packing up. So, for Greg and Deborah, for Greg and Deborah, for Greg and Deborah, when they saw it when they saw it , it looked like , it looked like , it looked like he was going to he was going to he was going to come back. And from come back. And from come back. And from everything people everything people everything people have been able to gather about have been able to gather about have been able to gather about Keith's last night, Keith's last night, Keith's last night, he should have done it. he should have done it. he should have done it. As most of As most of As most of his evening his evening his evening is known, and everything is known, and everything is known, and everything seemed normal seemed normal . Until the moment when . Until the moment when . Until the moment when he told he told he told his friends that he was going to his friends that he was going to his friends that he was going to meet some meet some meet some mysterious person. Between mysterious person. Between mysterious person. Between working with our working with our working with our reporters, the reporters, the post-production team, post-production team, the recording, you know, the recording, you know, the recording, you know, running the company, running the company, running the company, and being a wife and and being a wife and and being a wife and mother, I only have mother, I only have about 30 minutes of about 30 minutes of personal time a personal time a personal time a day. This means that day. This means that day. This means that if I want to if I want to if I want to exercise, it has to exercise, it has to exercise, it has to fit in fit in whenever and wherever I whenever and wherever I whenever and wherever I find the time. And, honestly find the time. And, honestly find the time. And, honestly , sometimes it , sometimes it , sometimes it happens right happens right happens right here in my office.

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into Chris and into Chris and Michelle's car. Chris was driving the Michelle's car. Chris was driving the demonstration demonstration car, a black Nissan car, a black Nissan car, a black Nissan Pathfinder. And, as far as I Pathfinder. And, as far as I Pathfinder. And, as far as I can tell, they didn't have can tell, they didn't have can tell, they didn't have any any any special plans for the special plans for the special plans for the evening. Just a series of evening. Just a series of evening. Just a series of stops, for example, the stops, for example, the stops, for example, the first one is at a first one is at a first one is at a 24-hour 24-hour 24-hour store. We know store. We know store. We know that Keith went into the that Keith went into the that Keith went into the store and bought something store and bought something store and bought something because detectives because detectives because detectives confirmed it with confirmed it with surveillance footage and a surveillance footage and a receipt, since Keith receipt, since Keith receipt, since Keith paid with a card. paid with a card. paid with a card. Then the three of them Then the three of them Then the three of them went to McDonald's for went to McDonald's for went to McDonald's for dinner, and after that, they took dinner, and after that, they took dinner, and after that, they took a little mud ride a little mud ride a little mud ride on the Pathfinder behind on the Pathfinder behind on the Pathfinder behind Memorial Memorial Memorial Stadium, which is Stadium, which is Stadium, which is literally across the literally across the literally across the street from street from street from Keith's apartment. The last Keith's apartment. The last Keith's apartment. The last stop that evening stop that evening stop that evening was a party at was a party at was a party at some house some house some house near Lake Wichita. near Lake Wichita. near Lake Wichita. But Chris said he But Chris said he But Chris said he couldn't remember exactly couldn't remember exactly couldn't remember exactly where they went. He where they went. He where they went. He didn't know the address. He was didn't know the address. He was didn't know the address. He was simply following simply following simply following the instructions someone the instructions someone the instructions someone gave him. gave him. gave him. And how soon after And how soon after And how soon after that evening does he that evening does he that evening does he talk to them? This talk to them? This talk to them? This seems a seems a seems a little strange to me. This...this is little strange to me. This...this is little strange to me. This...this is right at the right at the right at the beginning. beginning. beginning. Somewhere in a couple of days. Somewhere in a couple of days. Somewhere in a couple of days. We spoke with the We spoke with the We spoke with the current current current detective in the detective in the detective in the Unsolved Cases Unit Unsolved Cases Unit Unsolved Cases Unit who is working on this who is working on this who is working on this case, Detective case, Detective case, Detective Whited. He said Whited. He said Whited. He said that, judging from the that, judging from the that, judging from the case files, case files, case files, detectives felt detectives felt detectives felt that Chris and Michelle were that Chris and Michelle were that Chris and Michelle were not hiding anything.

not hiding anything. not hiding anything. So can't Chris So can't Chris So can't Chris just take them just take them just take them to where the party was? to where the party was? to where the party was? So, here's my So, here's my So, here's my opinion. I suppose opinion. I suppose opinion. I suppose if they asked, if they asked, if they asked, but the problem is but the problem is but the problem is I don't know if I don't know if I don't know if they asked him or they asked him or they asked him or if they considered this if they considered this if they considered this party important. All party important. All I know is that I know is that I know is that they left the party they left the party they left the party at a certain time because they had to at a certain time because they had to at a certain time because they had to get get get Keith home by Keith home by Keith home by midnight because he midnight because he midnight because he said he had a said he had a said he had a meeting at 12:15. But that's all meeting at 12:15. But that's all meeting at 12:15. But that's all he said. he said. he said. Keith's parents Keith's parents Keith's parents told us that told us that told us that when Chris tried when Chris tried when Chris tried to push him and ask to push him and ask to push him and ask him, "Who are you him, "Who are you him, "Who are you dating?" Because who dating?" Because who dating?" Because who meets meets meets someone at 12:15 AM, right? someone at 12:15 AM, right? someone at 12:15 AM, right? Apparently, Keith just Apparently, Keith just Apparently, Keith just smiled and smiled and smiled and shrugged. So Chris shrugged. So Chris shrugged. So Chris suggested that Keith suggested that Keith suggested that Keith might be might be might be dating a dating a dating a girl or something girl or something . And maybe he didn't . And maybe he didn't . And maybe he didn't want to involve want to involve want to involve Chris and Michelle Chris and Michelle Chris and Michelle because they now knew because they now knew because they now knew his fiancée, who was going to his fiancée, who was going to his fiancée, who was going to move in with move in with move in with him. At least, that's what him. At least, that's what him. At least, that's what he thought at the time. he thought at the time. he thought at the time. But now he's But now he's But now he's not sure about that. Chris not sure about that. Chris not sure about that. Chris says that before says that before says that before dropping Keith off, they dropping Keith off, they dropping Keith off, they stopped at a car wash stopped at a car wash stopped at a car wash near Keith's house near Keith's house near Keith's house to wash the dirt off the to wash the dirt off the Nissan. It was Nissan. It was Nissan. It was around 11:30. And then around 11:30. And then around 11:30. And then somewhere between 11:45 and 12:00 they somewhere between 11:45 and 12:00 they somewhere between 11:45 and 12:00 they dropped Keith off outside dropped Keith off outside dropped Keith off outside his apartment. Both Chris his apartment. Both Chris his apartment. Both Chris and Michelle say they and Michelle say they and Michelle say they saw Keith walk to saw Keith walk to saw Keith walk to his apartment, but his apartment, but his apartment, but didn't see him didn't see him didn't see him enter. And that was the enter. And that was the enter. And that was the last time last time last time anyone saw Keith.

anyone saw Keith. Who was the last person to Who was the last person to see Keith, besides see Keith, besides see Keith, besides Chris and Michelle? Chris and Michelle? Chris and Michelle? I think these are people from I think these are people from I think these are people from the party. But that's why I would the party. But that's why I would the party. But that's why I would like to know if like to know if like to know if they found out where it they found out where it they found out where it was, if they found was, if they found was, if they found those people. We don't those people. We don't those people. We don't know. And listen, know. And listen, know. And listen, Chris acts like Chris acts like Chris acts like he has nothing he has nothing he has nothing to hide. He to hide. He to hide. He agrees to take agrees to take agrees to take a polygraph and passes it a polygraph and passes it a polygraph and passes it successfully. That's successfully. That's successfully. That's what I don't understand. what I don't understand. what I don't understand. Since Chris Since Chris Since Chris passed a polygraph, passed a polygraph, passed a polygraph, the detectives do not the detectives do not the detectives do not consider it necessary for consider it necessary for consider it necessary for Michelle to Michelle to Michelle to take one. Listen, take one. Listen, take one. Listen, we know how we know how we know how reliable polygraphs are. I would reliable polygraphs are. I would reliable polygraphs are. I would n't go through it n't go through it n't go through it . . . Okay, but this logic Okay, but this logic Okay, but this logic doesn't make sense. doesn't make sense. doesn't make sense. I know. I know. I know. He can't pass a He can't pass a He can't pass a polygraph for both of them. polygraph for both of them. polygraph for both of them. Did they Did they Did they at least get a statement at least get a statement at least get a statement from Michelle separately? from Michelle separately? from Michelle separately? Yes, probably under all that Yes, probably under all that Yes, probably under all that black ink in the black ink in the black ink in the file we file we file we received. received. received. Perfectly. Perfectly. Perfectly. Despite everything, detectives Despite everything, detectives Despite everything, detectives do not consider Chris a do not consider Chris a do not consider Chris a suspect. Neither then suspect. Neither then nor now. And nor now. And nor now. And in fact, even in in fact, even in in fact, even in the beginning, Keith's family did the beginning, Keith's family did the beginning, Keith's family did n't think so either. n't think so either. n't think so either. Deborah told Deborah told Deborah told our reporter that our reporter that our reporter that her initial version was that her initial version was that Keith had changed his mind. Like , Carrie's engagement and move , Carrie's engagement and move , Carrie's engagement and move —maybe it was —maybe it was —maybe it was all all all happening too happening too happening too fast for him. So she fast for him. So she fast for him. So she wondered if wondered if wondered if he had packed up and he had packed up and he had packed up and gone to live with his gone to live with his gone to live with his biological mother in biological mother in biological mother in New Mexico, because he had New Mexico, because he had New Mexico, because he had lived with her until almost lived with her until almost lived with her until almost high school. It high school. It high school. It 's as if he moved to 's as if he moved to 's as if he moved to Texas just because the Texas just because the Texas just because the area where his area where his area where his father lived had a really father lived had a really father lived had a really good baseball good baseball good baseball program. But Greg, on the program. But Greg, on the program. But Greg, on the other hand, said he other hand, said he other hand, said he never believed the never believed the never believed the theory that he had theory that he had theory that he had changed his mind. And, to be honest changed his mind. And, to be honest changed his mind. And, to be honest , detectives too , detectives too . First, Greg and . First, Greg and . First, Greg and Deborah Deborah had maintained contact had maintained contact with Keith's mother for many years. So with Keith's mother for many years. So with Keith's mother for many years. So they know that Keith didn't

they know that Keith didn't they know that Keith didn't run away there. And secondly run away there. And secondly , and most importantly to , and most importantly to , and most importantly to me, there were me, there were me, there were two commission two commission two commission checks waiting for Keith on the Monday checks waiting for Keith on the Monday checks waiting for Keith on the Monday after he disappeared. after he disappeared. after he disappeared. And he knew they would And he knew they would And he knew they would come because he had just come because he had just come because he had just sold two cars on sold two cars on sold two cars on his last his last his last shift. And he still had money left in his shift. And he still had money left in his shift. And he still had money left in his bank account bank account bank account that had never that had never that had never been withdrawn. been withdrawn. been withdrawn. So, if you're So, if you're So, if you're going to go on your going to go on your going to go on your own, you'll own, you'll own, you'll need cash. need cash. need cash. Money is a very Money is a very Money is a very useful thing to useful thing to useful thing to get a head start, right get a head start, right ? ? ? Back in 1997, Back in 1997, Back in 1997, detectives interviewed detectives interviewed detectives interviewed at least 100 people. at least 100 people. at least 100 people. Everyone Keith might have Everyone Keith might have Everyone Keith might have crossed paths with. His crossed paths with. His crossed paths with. His friends, family, colleagues, friends, family, colleagues, friends, family, colleagues, everyone. But nothing everyone. But nothing everyone. But nothing useful came of it useful came of it useful came of it . And I'm not kidding . And I'm not kidding . And I'm not kidding when I say "nothing." when I say "nothing." Normally this would be the Normally this would be the part where I part where I part where I tell you all the tell you all the tell you all the different theories. But there different theories. But there aren't even any solid aren't even any solid theories in this case. There are rumors theories in this case. There are rumors theories in this case. There are rumors that Keith may have that Keith may have that Keith may have been involved with the Texas- been involved with the Texas- Mexican Mafia Mexican Mafia , but this was rather far- , but this was rather far- , but this was rather far- fetched and fetched and fetched and unsubstantiated. Other unsubstantiated. Other unsubstantiated. Other rumors rumors rumors have centered on have centered on have centered on the idea of ​​a botched the idea of ​​a botched the idea of ​​a botched drug deal or drug deal or that Keith was involved that Keith was involved that Keith was involved in gambling, but in gambling, but in gambling, but neither of those neither of those neither of those seem like anything seem like anything seem like anything real. These theories real. These theories real. These theories come out of nowhere come out of nowhere come out of nowhere when people say, "I when people say, "I when people say, "I don't know what could have don't know what could have don't know what could have happened." Like, what happened." Like, what , how is that? Maybe that. They , how is that? Maybe that. They , how is that? Maybe that. They just throw around any just throw around any assumptions.

assumptions. They can't They can't They can't come up with anything that makes any come up with anything that makes any real sense. But real sense. But here's what I'll say about all here's what I'll say about all here's what I'll say about all these rumors and these rumors and these rumors and speculation. Many of speculation. Many of speculation. Many of them do contain them do contain them do contain one similar detail about the one similar detail about the Ron Roberts dealership where Ron Roberts dealership where Keith worked. In 1997, Keith worked. In 1997, Keith worked. In 1997, they were building a they were building a they were building a new building new building new building not far from not far from not far from Keith's apartment. It's Keith's apartment. It's Keith's apartment. It's less than a mile and a half less than a mile and a half less than a mile and a half from here. from here. from here. Construction was underway Construction was underway Construction was underway when Keith disappeared in when Keith disappeared in when Keith disappeared in May. And what they May. And what they May. And what they keep mentioning, keep mentioning, keep mentioning, what Kit's parents believe what Kit's parents believe , is that Kit is either , is that Kit is either , is that Kit is either buried there under the buried there under the buried there under the concrete, or somewhere else in the concrete, or somewhere else in the concrete, or somewhere else in the city under the concrete. city under the concrete. But as far as I know, there was no search or excavation, the was no search or excavation, the dealership dealership dealership was built and it's still was built and it's still was built and it's still there. there. Okay, am I just Okay, am I just pulling my ears or does it pulling my ears or does it pulling my ears or does it really seem like really seem like really seem like everything has to be somehow everything has to be somehow everything has to be somehow connected to this connected to this connected to this dealership?

dealership? dealership? Well, here's the car, he Well, here's the car, he Well, here's the car, he was with a friend and... was with a friend and... was with a friend and... Yeah, maybe. I Yeah, maybe. I Yeah, maybe. I mean, I feel mean, I feel mean, I feel something similar too. But I something similar too. But I something similar too. But I also know something also know something also know something you don't know. One of the you don't know. One of the you don't know. One of the few things that few things that few things that somehow wasn't removed from the somehow wasn't removed from the somehow wasn't removed from the case file we case file we case file we received was a mention received was a mention received was a mention of a recorded of a recorded of a recorded prison call from a prison call from a prison call from a guy named Gary guy named Gary guy named Gary Price. And this call Price. And this call Price. And this call was made was made was made 10 years after 10 years after 10 years after Keith disappeared, in 2007. Keith disappeared, in 2007. Keith disappeared, in 2007. So I didn't know who this So I didn't know who this So I didn't know who this guy was, and I didn't care. guy was, and I didn't care. guy was, and I didn't care. We received a report about We received a report about We received a report about Gary. And it turns out, Gary. And it turns out, Gary. And it turns out, you know, it won't surprise you that there you know, it won't surprise you that there you know, it won't surprise you that there are are are several people in the world named several people in the world named several people in the world named Gary Price. Gary Price. Gary Price. True. True. True. True. True. True. But there was one that But there was one that But there was one that stood out among the stood out among the stood out among the others. The one whose others. The one whose others. The one whose former former former employer was the employer was the employer was the Ron Ron Ron Roberts Ford dealership. Roberts Ford dealership. Roberts Ford dealership. Oh, ding-ding-ding. Oh, ding-ding-ding. Oh, ding-ding-ding. Bingo, you guessed it. Bingo, you guessed it. Bingo, you guessed it. This dude has a long This dude has a long This dude has a long criminal record. criminal record. criminal record. It turns out that Gary It turns out that Gary It turns out that Gary committed several committed several committed several robberies at two robberies at two robberies at two different pharmacies, both different pharmacies, both different pharmacies, both in and around Wichita Falls in and around Wichita Falls in and around Wichita Falls . But that was . But that was . But that was 20 years before 20 years before 20 years before Keith disappeared, sometime in the Keith disappeared, sometime in the Keith disappeared, sometime in the late 70s. late 70s. late 70s. Uh, the robbery—was it a Uh, the robbery—was it a Uh, the robbery—was it a " " grab and run" kind of thing?

grab and run" kind of thing? grab and run" kind of thing? Not quite. So, according to the Not quite. So, according to the Not quite. So, according to the Times Record News, in Times Record News, in Times Record News, in mid-September 1978, mid-September 1978, mid-September 1978, Gary robbed a Gary robbed a Gary robbed a pharmacy clerk in pharmacy clerk in pharmacy clerk in Burkburnett, Burkburnett, Burkburnett, Texas. He held the Texas. He held the Texas. He held the clerk hostage clerk hostage clerk hostage until until until the pharmacist arrived, and the clerk the pharmacist arrived, and the clerk the pharmacist arrived, and the clerk even served even served even served the customer while he was the customer while he was the customer while he was there. there. there. A. A. A. When When When the pharmacist arrived, Gary the pharmacist arrived, Gary the pharmacist arrived, Gary tied them both up, tied them both up, tied them both up, taped their mouths and taped their mouths and taped their mouths and robbed them. But robbed them. But robbed them. But 2 hours later he 2 hours later he 2 hours later he was caught in Oklahoma by was caught in Oklahoma by was caught in Oklahoma by highway highway highway patrol officers with a gun, patrol officers with a gun, patrol officers with a gun, drugs and drugs and drugs and money. He was money. He was money. He was arrested, but arrested, but arrested, but soon released soon released , I assume, because in , I assume, because in , I assume, because in early January 1979 early January 1979 early January 1979 he robbed he robbed he robbed another pharmacy. And after another pharmacy. And after another pharmacy. And after he he he was caught, he pleaded was caught, he pleaded was caught, he pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery guilty to aggravated robbery and was and was sentenced to 15 years in sentenced to 15 years in sentenced to 15 years in prison. But according to prison. But according to Wichita County Sheriff's Office jail records, Gary was released Wichita County Sheriff's Office jail records, Gary was released by 1991. by 1991. by 1991. having been arrested having been arrested having been arrested for possession of for possession of for possession of prohibited substances. prohibited substances. prohibited substances. He was then arrested again in He was then arrested again in late 1995 for late 1995 for assault. And literally the assault. And literally the assault. And literally the next day he was next day he was next day he was back in prison for back in prison for back in prison for violating his parole violating his parole , but he , but he was released in mid- was released in mid- was released in mid- 1996. Now our 1996. Now our 1996. Now our reporter asked reporter asked reporter asked Keith's parents if Keith's parents if Keith's parents if they knew the name Gary they knew the name Gary they knew the name Gary Price. And indeed, Price. And indeed, Price. And indeed, Deborah remembers Deborah remembers Deborah remembers him working at the him working at the him working at the dealership, dealership, dealership, but she but she but she knew little about him.

knew little about him. knew little about him. Detective Whited Detective Whited Detective Whited confirmed to us that in confirmed to us that in confirmed to us that in 1997, Gary worked as 1997, Gary worked as 1997, Gary worked as a mechanic at Ron Roberts Ford. a mechanic at Ron Roberts Ford. He told us that He told us that Gary came to the Gary came to the Gary came to the attention of detectives in the attention of detectives in the attention of detectives in the Keith case because Keith case because Keith case because colleagues who worked with him colleagues who worked with him colleagues who worked with him said they did said they did said they did not consider him an not consider him an not consider him an honest person and that honest person and that honest person and that he was very hot-tempered. And he was very hot-tempered. And he was very hot-tempered. And with all this with all this with all this speculation and speculation and speculation and rumors that Keith rumors that Keith rumors that Keith might have been involved in might have been involved in might have been involved in gambling or gambling or gambling or maybe drugs, maybe drugs, maybe drugs, Gary fit that Gary fit that Gary fit that description as someone who description as someone who description as someone who wasn't connected to wasn't connected to wasn't connected to him personally, but to the same him personally, but to the same him personally, but to the same things, things, things, you know? The same you know? The same you know? The same world, that's why world, that's why world, that's why they wanted to they wanted to they wanted to talk to him in the first place. According to talk to him in the first place. According to talk to him in the first place. According to Detective Detective Detective Whited, Gary was a Whited, Gary was a Whited, Gary was a person of interest in person of interest in person of interest in the investigation the investigation the investigation initially and for initially and for initially and for some time some time some time thereafter. But the thereafter. But the thereafter. But the jailhouse call recording jailhouse call recording jailhouse call recording was only made in was only made in was only made in May 2007, May 2007, May 2007, because at that time the Texas because at that time the Texas because at that time the Texas Rangers were apparently Rangers were apparently Rangers were apparently reviewing reviewing reviewing Keith's case and re- Keith's case and re- Keith's case and re- interviewing the interviewing the interviewing the suspects. Detective suspects. Detective suspects. Detective Whited said that at Whited said that at Whited said that at some point in some point in some point in the investigation, he doesn't the investigation, he doesn't the investigation, he doesn't remember the exact date, remember the exact date, remember the exact date, Gary agreed to Gary agreed to Gary agreed to come in and take a come in and take a polygraph test. They polygraph test. They never set a time, and never set a time, and never set a time, and he did nothing he did nothing .

. . Perfectly. Perfectly. Perfectly. In the end, nothing In the end, nothing In the end, nothing new about Gary appeared in the new about Gary appeared in the new about Gary appeared in the police records police records police records . . . From what you see. From what you see. From what you see. From what I see, From what I see, From what I see, sure, but that's also what the sure, but that's also what the detective told us. So I detective told us. So I guess they guess they guess they never found never found never found anything that would anything that would anything that would connect him to the connect him to the connect him to the disappearance. disappearance. disappearance. Perhaps my biggest Perhaps my biggest Perhaps my biggest question is—did Keith question is—did Keith question is—did Keith really know Gary, was there really know Gary, was there really know Gary, was there anything that anything that anything that connected them, other than the fact that connected them, other than the fact that connected them, other than the fact that they both they both they both worked at the same worked at the same worked at the same dealership at the same dealership at the same dealership at the same time? time? Gary is a mechanic, right? And Gary is a mechanic, right? And Keith sells cars. Keith sells cars. Keith sells cars. They are not both They are not both They are not both mechanics or both mechanics or both mechanics or both salesmen. They don't salesmen. They don't salesmen. They don't work side by side. work side by side. work side by side. They They They were simply in the same were simply in the same were simply in the same general area at the same general area at the same general area at the same time. time. time. No, I understand what No, I understand what No, I understand what you mean. And when they you mean. And when they you mean. And when they interviewed Gary, he interviewed Gary, he interviewed Gary, he said he saw Keith said he saw Keith said he saw Keith at the dealership, at the dealership, at the dealership, but he never but he never but he never claimed to have claimed to have claimed to have talked to him or talked to him or talked to him or anything like that. So there anything like that. So there seems to have been no real connection. But seems to have been no real connection. But either he didn't tell either he didn't tell either he didn't tell the police everything in 2007, the police everything in 2007, the police everything in 2007, or what he said or what he said or what he said was lost in time, was lost in time, was lost in time, or his story or his story or his story changed, because changed, because changed, because guess who we guess who we guess who we called while called while called while preparing this story.

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Dallas. Dallas. Understandable, but he Understandable, but he Understandable, but he still tries to still tries to still tries to show that his son show that his son show that his son knew Keith well. knew Keith well. knew Keith well. I know, but I'm not I know, but I'm not I know, but I'm not sure how sure how sure how well. And he gave us well. And he gave us well. And he gave us Jeremy's number, our Jeremy's number, our Jeremy's number, our reporter tried reporter tried reporter tried to reach him, but to reach him, but to reach him, but if that's the right if that's the right if that's the right number, we never number, we never number, we never got a response. got a response. got a response. We tried to We tried to We tried to reach reach reach Detective Whitehead Detective Whitehead Detective Whitehead about Jeremy and about Jeremy and about Jeremy and all of this. He all of this. He all of this. He said little about said little about said little about Jeremy, but advised Jeremy, but advised Jeremy, but advised to be to be to be skeptical of Gary's words. Because the skeptical of Gary's words. Because the skeptical of Gary's words. Because the only thing we only thing we only thing we asked was that asked was that asked was that Gary claims Gary claims Gary claims he didn't work there at the time he didn't work there at the time he didn't work there at the time , and the detective , and the detective , and the detective said, "No, I said, "No, I said, "No, I know for sure I did." know for sure I did." know for sure I did." So I don't know. I don't So I don't know. I don't So I don't know. I don't know what to think about know what to think about know what to think about Gary. I don't know what to Gary. I don't know what to Gary. I don't know what to think about Jeremy. And think about Jeremy. And think about Jeremy. And I think that's part of the I think that's part of the I think that's part of the problem with this case. It problem with this case. It problem with this case. It seems to me that it is " seems to me that it is " cold" because we cold" because we cold" because we know too little. know too little. know too little. But I will say that she But I will say that she But I will say that she doesn't look as doesn't look as doesn't look as "cold" as she could "cold" as she could "cold" as she could be. I know she's be. I know she's be. I know she's still in the police still in the police still in the police department's sights. Actually, it was a department's sights. Actually, it was a department's sights. Actually, it was a person who person who person who used to work for the used to work for the used to work for the Wichita Falls police who Wichita Falls police who Wichita Falls police who advised me on this advised me on this advised me on this case. And I know case. And I know case. And I know they're still they're still they're still checking for leads checking for leads checking for leads as they come up. as they come up. as they come up. Because in September 2020, Because in September 2020, Because in September 2020, Deborah found a post on Facebook Deborah found a post on Facebook Deborah found a post on Facebook about an American about an American about an American who was living on the streets of who was living on the streets of who was living on the streets of Mexico. It was believed Mexico. It was believed Mexico. It was believed that this man had that this man had that this man had some kind of mental some kind of mental some kind of mental disorder. He may disorder. He may disorder. He may have spent some time in have spent some time in have spent some time in the hospital after being the hospital after being the hospital after being hit by a car.

hit by a car. hit by a car. And honestly, there was a And honestly, there was a And honestly, there was a picture of this picture of this picture of this guy, and he looked a lot like guy, and he looked a lot like guy, and he looked a lot like Keith in the Keith in the Keith in the generated generated generated image if he image if he image if he were in his 40s. were in his 40s. were in his 40s. And Wichita Falls police And Wichita Falls police And Wichita Falls police took action. They took action. They took action. They found this found this found this man and conducted a man and conducted a man and conducted a DNA test. But it was DNA test. But it was DNA test. But it was n't Keith. And the next n't Keith. And the next n't Keith. And the next year, I know, in 2021, year, I know, in 2021, year, I know, in 2021, they did a whole they did a whole they did a whole excavation project excavation project excavation project at the site, I assume, at the site, I assume, at the site, I assume, looking for looking for looking for Keith's remains. Keith's remains. Keith's remains. And this was at a And this was at a And this was at a car show? car show? car show? No, that's the strange thing. No, that's the strange thing. There is one very There is one very specific address in police records on specific address in police records on specific address in police records on Southwest Parkway, a Southwest Parkway, a Southwest Parkway, a half mile from half mile from half mile from Keith's apartment. And if Keith's apartment. And if Keith's apartment. And if you look at Google Maps, all you you look at Google Maps, all you you look at Google Maps, all you see is a see is a see is a wasteland with a fallen wasteland with a fallen wasteland with a fallen sign. sign. sign. Mhm. There Mhm. There Mhm. There used to be an old used to be an old used to be an old car wash there, an car wash there, an car wash there, an oil change station or oil change station or oil change station or something like that. But it something like that. But it something like that. But it seems to have been constantly seems to have been constantly seems to have been constantly flooded, so it was flooded, so it was flooded, so it was eventually abandoned. And eventually abandoned. And eventually abandoned. And right before the right before the right before the demolition, detectives demolition, detectives demolition, detectives came there with came there with came there with a search, saying, oh, a search, saying, oh, a search, saying, oh, now is the perfect time. now is the perfect time. But even if you kill me, I can't But even if you kill me, I can't say why. And I'm say why. And I'm say why. And I'm not sure if not sure if not sure if the detective the detective the detective was hiding something or if they were was hiding something or if they were was hiding something or if they were just searching for a just searching for a just searching for a check.

check. check. could they before the could they before the could they before the demolition started? demolition started? demolition started? Like it was just Like it was just Like it was just there? there? there? I, I don't know. I've I, I don't know. I've I, I don't know. I've worked with many worked with many worked with many police police police departments, and they won't departments, and they won't departments, and they won't just just just do a search without a do a search without a do a search without a reason. The one thing reason. The one thing reason. The one thing that keeps that keeps that keeps running through my running through my running through my head is head is head is Chris's mention of the car wash Chris's mention of the car wash Chris's mention of the car wash before he gave him a before he gave him a before he gave him a lift. That's exactly what lift. That's exactly what lift. That's exactly what I I I thought. Like, thought. Like, thought. Like, was this the same car wash was this the same car wash was this the same car wash where they washed the car? where they washed the car? where they washed the car? Again, I'm not Again, I'm not Again, I'm not saying Chris is saying Chris is saying Chris is suspicious of anything. I don't know suspicious of anything. I don't know suspicious of anything. I don't know why they were why they were why they were interested in this interested in this interested in this place. But I know there were place. But I know there were place. But I know there were some some some random things left there when random things left there when random things left there when they went in there they went in there they went in there before the building before the building before the building was torn down. For example, was torn down. For example, was torn down. For example, there was a checkbook, there was a checkbook, there was a checkbook, several Polaroid several Polaroid several Polaroid photos of the construction of photos of the construction of photos of the construction of this structure. this structure. this structure. Detectives Detectives Detectives reviewed reviewed reviewed photos in photos in photos in early 2021 and early 2021 and early 2021 and saw that a new concrete slab had saw that a new concrete slab had saw that a new concrete slab had been poured there at some point been poured there at some point been poured there at some point , , , likely when the business likely when the business likely when the business became a grease change station became a grease change station became a grease change station . So . So . So detectives detectives detectives used these used these used these images to compare the images to compare the images to compare the old and new developments old and new developments , and then , and then , and then excavated the site in excavated the site in excavated the site in February of that year, February of that year, February of that year, but found nothing but found nothing . So, as I said, . So, as I said, . So, as I said, this excavation makes this excavation makes this excavation makes me think that there was me think that there was me think that there was some specific some specific some specific clue, because, as I clue, because, as I clue, because, as I said, you don't...

said, you don't... said, you don't... You don't just throw You don't just throw You don't just throw resources into a search resources into a search resources into a search . . . I'm currently working on a I'm currently working on a I'm currently working on a case in California case in California case in California where four different where four different where four different body-searching dogs body-searching dogs body-searching dogs gave four separate gave four separate gave four separate signals, but they signals, but they signals, but they still don't want still don't want still don't want to dig up the ground. to dig up the ground. to dig up the ground. So I say, "What are you...I So I say, "What are you...I So I say, "What are you...I don't know." Maybe it don't know." Maybe it don't know." Maybe it was just convenient, was just convenient, was just convenient, because the building was because the building was because the building was being demolished anyway, and why not, after being demolished anyway, and why not, after being demolished anyway, and why not, after so much so much so much time had passed and it had never time had passed and it had never time had passed and it had never been found. been found. been found. So did you check So did you check So did you check who owned the land who owned the land who owned the land where this sink was located? where this sink was located? where this sink was located? I would check that. You I would check that. You I would check that. You can, I checked. I can, I checked. I can, I checked. I checked. And I checked. And I checked. And I asked Keith's family asked Keith's family asked Keith's family if they knew the name, if they knew the name, if they knew the name, because when I looked up the because when I looked up the because when I looked up the property records, property records, property records, it was the same name it was the same name it was the same name that was on the that was on the that was on the checkbook and other things checkbook and other things . They didn't recognize . They didn't recognize . They didn't recognize the name, and the name, and the name, and the police tell me it the police tell me it the police tell me it doesn't matter that this doesn't matter that this doesn't matter that this person owned person owned person owned property or had property or had property or had checkbooks, they are checkbooks, they are checkbooks, they are irrelevant to this irrelevant to this irrelevant to this case. case. case. I mean, did I mean, did I mean, did they ever name they ever name anyone as a anyone as a anyone as a suspect or suspect or suspect or even a person even a person even a person involved in the case? involved in the case? involved in the case? No. But for me, the No. But for me, the No. But for me, the unnamed person who unnamed person who unnamed person who should be the should be the should be the person of interest person of interest person of interest is the one Keith was supposed to is the one Keith was supposed to is the one Keith was supposed to meet at 12:15. meet at 12:15. Yes.

Yes. Because if this meeting Because if this meeting Because if this meeting really happened, why didn't this really happened, why didn't this really happened, why didn't this person person person show up? show up? Well, I think finding out what that meeting was about would what that meeting was about would tell a lot tell a lot . We . We . We still don't know. still don't know. still don't know. Detectives have been trying to Detectives have been trying to Detectives have been trying to figure this out figure this out figure this out for for for years, but have never years, but have never years, but have never gotten any gotten any gotten any solid reason why solid reason why solid reason why he would be he would be he would be seeing anyone. seeing anyone. seeing anyone. Did they consider Did they consider Did they consider the version that the the version that the the version that the meeting never happened at all meeting never happened at all meeting never happened at all ? ? ? I'm sure. Because this is a I'm sure. Because this is a I'm sure. Because this is a question I question I question I constantly ask. But constantly ask. But constantly ask. But as I said, they as I said, they as I said, they don't seem to don't seem to don't seem to question the question the question the veracity of Chris or veracity of Chris or veracity of Chris or Michelle. And then again Michelle. And then again , maybe Keith was being , maybe Keith was being , maybe Keith was being dishonest with them, right? dishonest with them, right? dishonest with them, right? Like they thought Like they thought Like they thought Keith was supposed to Keith was supposed to Keith was supposed to meet someone? Or...I don't meet someone? Or...I don't meet someone? Or...I don't know. I guess I have to know. I guess I have to know. I guess I have to believe that believe that believe that someone met him someone met him someone met him later. Because no one later. Because no one later. Because no one believes anymore that believes anymore that believes anymore that he just walked he just walked he just walked away. away. away. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. And by the way, there's another And by the way, there's another And by the way, there's another little detail that little detail that little detail that I think I think I think fits into our fits into our fits into our puzzle. It must have been puzzle. It must have been puzzle. It must have been around 1 around 1 around 1 a.m., a.m., a.m., about an about an about an hour after hour after hour after Chris and Michelle Chris and Michelle Chris and Michelle dropped Keith off, dropped Keith off, dropped Keith off, Keith's sister heard something outside her Keith's sister heard something outside her Keith's sister heard something outside her window, well, window, well, window, well, her bedroom window. Something her bedroom window. Something her bedroom window. Something that was in the direction of the that was in the direction of the that was in the direction of the church parking lot.

church parking lot. church parking lot. She said it She said it She said it could have been the sound of a could have been the sound of a could have been the sound of a door closing or door closing or door closing or something like that. It was something like that. It was something like that. It was something that didn't something that didn't something that didn't alarm her or even alarm her or even alarm her or even make her look out the make her look out the make her look out the window at the time. window at the time. window at the time. Just something that, in Just something that, in Just something that, in retrospect, retrospect, retrospect, makes them think that's makes them think that's makes them think that's when they when they when they might have left the car there. might have left the car there. The question is, was The question is, was Keith in charge of it? Keith in charge of it? Keith in charge of it? Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. No No No phone phone phone records were obtained to records were obtained to records were obtained to confirm whether confirm whether confirm whether Keith called anyone Keith called anyone Keith called anyone before meeting before meeting before meeting Chris, or when Chris, or when Chris, or when he returned to his he returned to his he returned to his apartment before this apartment before this apartment before this alleged meeting. Or alleged meeting. Or alleged meeting. Or if we did receive them, we do if we did receive them, we do if we did receive them, we do n't know about it. So n't know about it. So , , , theoretically, he theoretically, he theoretically, he could have been given a ride could have been given a ride could have been given a ride home, and then he home, and then he home, and then he went to meet went to meet went to meet someone in the church someone in the church someone in the church parking lot. parking lot. parking lot. Theoretically, yes. But I Theoretically, yes. But I Theoretically, yes. But I think if something had think if something had think if something had happened there, his sister happened there, his sister happened there, his sister might have heard more might have heard more . Because we know she was . Because we know she was . Because we know she was n't asleep. And remember, the n't asleep. And remember, the n't asleep. And remember, the seat was seat was seat was pushed back, as if pushed back, as if pushed back, as if someone someone someone taller than Keith was driving. So I taller than Keith was driving. So I taller than Keith was driving. So I think it's more likely think it's more likely think it's more likely that someone else abandoned the that someone else abandoned the that someone else abandoned the car there. Someone, car there. Someone, car there. Someone, not Keith. not Keith. not Keith. Yes. Yes. Yes. But here's the catch. But here's the catch. But here's the catch. It had to be someone who It had to be someone who It had to be someone who knew Keith well and knew Keith well and knew Keith well and his habits, or his habits, or his habits, or at least his old at least his old at least his old habits. Who would have known habits. Who would have known habits. Who would have known that Keith had that Keith had that Keith had parked in that exact parked in that exact parked in that exact spot before?

spot before? spot before? But who wouldn't know that But who wouldn't know that But who wouldn't know that he was recently he was recently he was recently told not to told not to told not to do that? Yes. do that? Yes. I would like to know I would like to know how thoroughly how thoroughly how thoroughly the police checked the police checked Keith's immediate circle. We tried to Keith's immediate circle. We tried to contact Carrie contact Carrie contact Carrie to see if to see if to see if she would be willing to talk to us she would be willing to talk to us she would be willing to talk to us , perhaps , perhaps , perhaps give us more give us more give us more information about information about information about who Keith was and who who Keith was and who who Keith was and who he was hanging out with at the time. he was hanging out with at the time. he was hanging out with at the time. But when we But when we But when we called her, called her, called her, her husband picked up the phone her husband picked up the phone her husband picked up the phone and said and said and said she wouldn't talk to us she wouldn't talk to us she wouldn't talk to us . This . This . This matter just doesn't give matter just doesn't give matter just doesn't give me peace. It can't me peace. It can't me peace. It can't be that be that be that the information the information the information void is void is void is so big. so big. so big. Someone somewhere Someone somewhere Someone somewhere must must must know something. And in fact, know something. And in fact, know something. And in fact, even if people already even if people already even if people already knew something and knew something and knew something and told the police told the police told the police or family, they or family, they or family, they would like to hear it would like to hear it would like to hear it again. Deborah again. Deborah has tried has tried to track down to track down to track down all the details herself for years, but she all the details herself for years, but she all the details herself for years, but she told our told our told our reporter that reporter that reporter that so much time has passed, so much time has passed, so much time has passed, their memories are no longer their memories are no longer their memories are no longer as clear, and she as clear, and she as clear, and she realized that some of the realized that some of the realized that some of the details between 1997 and 1998 are details between 1997 and 1998 are blurry to them. So part of what blurry to them. So part of what they're they're they're hoping for after hoping for after hoping for after this episode is to this episode is to this episode is to connect with people from that connect with people from that connect with people from that time. They time. They time. They would like to hear would like to hear would like to hear the stories of people who the stories of people who the stories of people who knew Keith, those who knew Keith, those who knew Keith, those who studied studied studied or worked with him, to or worked with him, to or worked with him, to better better better document these document these document these details for themselves and for details for themselves and for details for themselves and for those who will take those who will take those who will take over after them, over after them, over after them, continuing the search for continuing the search for continuing the search for Keith, because they will never Keith, because they will never Keith, because they will never give up. So, give up. So, give up. So, if you have any if you have any if you have any information you information you information you would like to share with would like to share with would like to share with the family, you can the family, you can the family, you can send them send them send them a message on the a message on the a message on the Missing Man Project website Missing Man Project website or on their

or on their or on their Facebook page. And Facebook page. And Facebook page. And if you have if you have if you have information for information for information for police, you can police, you can police, you can call the call the Wichita Falls Detective Bureau at Wichita Falls Detective Bureau at 940-761-7762. Or 940-761-7762. Or 940-761-7762. Or if you wish to if you wish to if you wish to remain remain remain anonymous, you can anonymous, you can anonymous, you can call call Wichita Falls Area Crime Stoppers at Wichita Falls Area Crime Stoppers at 940-322-9888. They 940-322-9888. They 940-322-9888. They also offered a also offered a $25,000 reward for $25,000 reward for information information information leading to an arrest. leading to an arrest. leading to an arrest. So, if money is So, if money is So, if money is your motive, it's worth reaching out your motive, it's worth reaching out your motive, it's worth reaching out . Crime . Crime . Crime Junkie is a product of Audiochuck Junkie is a product of Audiochuck . I think Chuck would approve of . I think Chuck would approve of . I think Chuck would approve of that.